Do you know there’s an XMPP-enabled version of the Fediverse? Here’s an example of one such site:
Also, you can set up Friendica to work with XMPP. To wit:
Server admins can configure their ejabberd or prosody XMPP/Jabber servers to authenticate against the Friendica user database. If configured this way, every Friendica account is also a XMPP/Jabber account and can be used with any XMPP/Jabber client.
See also: https://wiki.friendi.ca/docs/chats
So XMPP is a totally valid protocol you can use with the Fediverse right now. As for why few people do this, I don’t know. Maybe they really do believe that Google “killed” XMPP—which is, in fact, untrue.
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in reply to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 • • •Robbie Norlyn, Author 👾
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •AudraTran :debian:
in reply to Robbie Norlyn, Author 👾 • • •Chris Trottier
in reply to AudraTran :debian: • • •There’s such a thing as specialist standards. The majority of people have no need for .svg image formats. And yet it is a standard.
That said, when it comes to chat, there are many competing standards—even in the open source world.
AudraTran :debian:
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Jon
in reply to AudraTran :debian: • • •bingo. Like many others back in the day, I started using XMPP to communicate with friends on multiple platforms. Many of them shifted over to Google because they could still communicate with all of us (and the software was better) or to FB (which is where they had all their other connections). Then we couldn't communicate with each other so even though I hadn't personally shifted to Google or FB, #XMPP wasn't useful any more for me. So I mostly stopped using it.
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Jon
in reply to Jon • • •to be fair that's not the only reason XMPP hasn't made more progress.
Last week somebody asked me to use XMPP for an encrypted convo. I signed up for a new account, looked at a "best XMPP clients 2023" page and dowloaded the top recommentation: my old friend Adium. But it didn't support encryption. Oh. He recommended some other client ... which doesn't run on Mac. I found another client which does have encryption but crashes once a day. Sigh.
@robertnorlyn
Goffi
in reply to Jon • • •Wait, which page did recommend "Adium" to you? A 2 seconds look at Wikipedia and you'll see that last stable release was *6 years ago*.
Nowadays I think that the best available options on Mac OS are https://beagle.im/ and https://monal-im.org/
There is a nice page on XMPP official website to find one: https://xmpp.org/software/
Beagle IM
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Goffi
in reply to Goffi • • •Note that I'm not blaming end-user for that, honestly it's overcomplicated to find the right client.
I guess you found this page: https://www.slant.co/topics/1371/~best-jabber-xmpp-clients-for-mac-os-x . It's totally outdated and generally wrong recommandations, I guess it's automated or semi automated. Comments are better though (they notice the deprecated status of Adium).
This kind of pages contribute to the bad reputation of #XMPP
XMPP official website it the best place to check for that.
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Aswath Rao
in reply to Robbie Norlyn, Author 👾 • • •At the risk of being labelled "reply guy" and getting dismissed, the point made us that GTalk & FB Messenger effectively killed of the federation aspect of XMPP. Sure, many consumer services & enterprises use XMPP-based systems but I am not sure many federate among themselves.
To be sure, the fault lines were built into its architecture as is the case with AP based federation. At least WebRTC gives a way out for RTC; not sure abt social sharing.
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Kingsley Uyi Idehen
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Using this thread to test new structured data extraction and transformation feature added to @datasniff, courtesy of new #ChatGPT integration functionality.
https://linkeddata.uriburner.com/sparql?query=%23%20DEFINE%20get%3Asoft%20%22soft%22%20%0ASELECT%20(SAMPLE(%3Fs)%20AS%20%3FEntityID)%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20(COUNT(*)%20AS%20%3Fcount)%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20(%3Fo%20AS%20%3FEntityTypeID)%20%0AFROM%20%3Chttps%3A%2F%2Fmastodon.social%2F%40atomicpoet%40atomicpoet.org%2F110629494997735885%23osds%3E%20%0AWHERE%20%7B%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fs%20a%20%3Fo%20.%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20FILTER%20(CONTAINS(STR(%3Fo)%2C%27schema%27))%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%20%0AGROUP%20BY%20%3Fo%20%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC%20(%3Fcount)%20%0ALIMIT%2050%20%0A%0A%0A%0A&format=text%2Fx-html%2Btr
Note, this tech also handles #Twitter's #DataSilo thereby offer data portability across #SocialMedia #DataSpaces.
Just click to explore.
/cc @atomicpoet@fediversenews
@judell
#SemanticWeb #LinkedData #KnowledgeGraph #Fediverse
Craig Nicol
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Kainoa
in reply to Craig Nicol • • •Occupy Journey 🐧🇺🇲♒🌎
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •fantastic!!!
It looks like ActivityPubs and XMPP have finely come together!!!
I've been hoping someone would do this. Then, in the XMPP app, enable the encryption 🥰😍
Oliver (FKK positiv 🏖️)
in reply to Occupy Journey 🐧🇺🇲♒🌎 • • •locomotive.org doesn't understand ActivityPub then!?
Occupy Journey 🐧🇺🇲♒🌎
in reply to Oliver (FKK positiv 🏖️) • • •Oliver (FKK positiv 🏖️)
in reply to Occupy Journey 🐧🇺🇲♒🌎 • • •From my XMPP-account I can find my Mastodon- and Friendica-account via mov.im, but I don't see any content and the request seem to end... nowhere? Very confusing to me.
Occupy Journey 🐧🇺🇲♒🌎
in reply to Oliver (FKK positiv 🏖️) • • •I'm sorry. I'm not the admin.
It looks like you sign up for a Mastodon account on mov.im and they automatically setup a XMPP account on their system too. Then you can add the XMPP account to your XMPP app.
I haven't tried it yet, sorry.
Kris
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •#xmpp
Integrations
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